Weekend 17th & 18 June 1978

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Page last updated:  17/09/06

Andrew Dyson recalls...
"Just found your site, and enjoyed looking through it. I went to Doncaster Works Open Day on Sunday 18/06/78. It was a very hot day.
  50034 had another 3 placed wrong way on the other 3 to create 50084!  71001 was on display, still in blue livery, awaiting to be repainted
  into green before going to the NRM. The scrap lines were out of bounds, but loco's could still be seen. There were scrap 24's, 71's
  and 74's. As the 24's weren't in my 1977 ABC Combined Volume I discarded them, and didn't take down the 71's and 74's numbers."

"MrBushy" remembers...
"Armed with the requisite 'East Mids'the weekend began as was
  customary on Friday night with the last bus from my village to
  Leicester for the 2100 Pancras-Shef with a 45 to Notts for the 2315
  unit to Grantham. 55014xdGD on 1S66 2025 KX-Edinburgh to Doncaster for
  1E72 2230 Edinburgh-KX back to Grantham & 1L00 0110 KX-Leeds north
  again to Retford. All three of these East Coast trains were booked a
  Deltic but the latter two were obviously inferior engines tonight!

    Descending to the low level platforms a grimy 37076xoIM hove into
  view making a welcome, but cold change from the staple boilered
  variety on 1E62 & a red line in my Platform 5 book! Bellowing out of
  the front window leaving Retford I observed this Immingham beast
  giving a good account of itself blasting up the gradient to Thrumpton
  box in the dawn half-light. The 0210 Man Picc-Cleethorpes newspaper
  train was done to Lincoln Central for the 0550 unit to Sheff, passing
  Nunnery carriage sidings 37095xbTI was observed on the stock of the
  0747 to Skeg (via Notts) & was duly scooped to Chesterfield.

    1E04 0730 Birmingham NS-Newcastle could often be relied on to
  produce, being a Saltley 'kick-out' & today was no exception as a
  welcome & familiar front end swung into view & with 37067xoTE at the
  helm, my third new Tractor of the day back to Sheff. There I learned
  37029vbMR had just departed on the Shef-Skeg (via Lincoln) so I went
  to meet it coming back, probably on a dubious succession of 40's, 25's
  & 31's ending up at Gainsborough Lea Road where I said hello to 029.

     The Harwich Boat Train was obviously not a 37 as my next recorded
  haulage was on Sunday, so after fruitlessly observing a phalanx of
  45/6/7's on the 'Northbound Procession' I would have returned to
  Leicester on a 45 later that evening.

     Getting anywhere east of Leicester much before tea time on winter
  Sundays was almost impossible but summer was a different matter-there
  was a dodgy move! 2 x 20's on the 0840 to Skeg were taken to Sleaford,
  over the bridge for a unit from Skegness to Grantham for a 47 on 1L04
  0940 KX-Leeds to Doncaster for a visit to the works.

     After a leisurely browse, I arrived back at the station to see what
  Deltics were about when 37122xoTI meandered down platform 3 on the
  1335 Cleethorpes-Shef vice unit service, Dreadful! my forth new 37 of
  the weekend, what was even more dreadful was due to an engineering
  possession it went via Treeton North, Tinsley Yard & Woodburn Jct!
  Retracing the route, a unit was done back to Doncaster for 55010xdHA
  on 1E07 the 1210 Edinburgh-KX on which Jimmy Saville was observed
  proving it definately was 'The Age Of The Train!! From Peterborough a
  31 on the 1810 Norwich-Birmingham NS took me home to Leicester."

Alan Baylis says...
"This era is when I was more interested in railway photography rather than bashing.  My Saturday was
   spent on the Birmingham 'Cross City' line where I got some good photographs of trains at all stations
   between Five Ways and Longbridge.  Alas I have only recorded the time (and trains direction) when
   I took the photograph so it is difficult to work out what was on what but for what its worth I saw (and
   probably photographed most of the following on (mainly) passenger trains: 47167, 47204 (to Cardiff),
   45015, 50026, 47283, 47539, 50026, 46029, 47104, 46054, 46017, 45028, 47202, 47248, 20013/170,
   47054, 47289, 45020, 46028 and 47318 (notes say the 18.38 Paddington train).
   The following day I was on the tour to Doncaster which others have covered."


Nick B writes...
"If you remember the Works event that year was a 2 Day event - I went on the Sunday (18th).

 I had not long moved from Grantham to Yeovil and was planning to stay in Grantham after the event. I
 was with a few friends and we drove up to Bristol from Yeovil early Sunday morning in time for
 1E41 (I think ) which was the 0735 BTM - Leeds. The loco was 46054 which looked unusual with the
 O/Head danger signs positioned 'in - between'  the marker lights.  A chariot took us from Sheffield to Donny.
 Nothing else was recorded that was any different from the previous day at the works but around the Station
 the following were observed - 08331 08485 08219  08184 08876 08749 08444 08022 20078 20022 20054
 20098 20209 20009 20064 20186/187 37105 37123 31306 46046 40193 47601 40070 47539 47431 
 55011.
 My friends left early to get back to Yeovil via Sheffield on 1V93 (1125 EDIN - PLYM) which was 45033.
 I left on 55013 to Grantham on 1858 York -KX 1A19."



Nick Ross recalls...
"Moves and gen from distant times...

 17/6/78 Sa

 47138      0727 Swansea-Leeds                                                   Swansea-Newport
 25224      0604 Crewe-Cardiff                                                     Newport-Cardiff
 47167      0827 Swansea-Manchester                                         Cardiff-Newport
 47055      0850 Swansea-Paignton                                               Cardiff-Newport
 37125      0931 Tenby-York                                                         Cardiff-Newport
 47535      0831 Manchester-Swansea                                         Newport-Cardiff
 47090      0948 Tenby-Padd                                                         Cardiff-Newport
 46018      0821 York-Tenby                                                         Newport-Cardiff
 47289      1427 Swansea-Manchester                                         Cardiff-Newport
 47204      1010 Newcastle-Cardiff                                               Newport-Cardiff
 47202      1423 Manchester-Swansea                                         Cardiff-Swansea
 
 Additional Notes.

 0727 start was a very early for a typical Swansea student like me at the time!

 37125 xo TI was a well ER rated "growler", the highlight of the day

 One of our happy band rang Landore to confirm the rare ER 47289 was working.  It  was, having gone
 down to Dan-y-Graig on the liners.

 46018 on the York-Tenby was swapped at Cardiff as Landore men weren't passed on them. From
 memory a very average CF, boilered 47 went forward which we all waved off for 47289 xo TE. 

 HST's which we didn't log were used to several Newport-Cardiff positioning moves;

 Happy days!"



Kevin Eshelby writes...

Started off with a dmu fom York to Leeds before taking 40198 on the 0757 Leeds - Llandudno to Dewsbury
for another unit back to Leeds.  Then having 31146 on 0911 Leeds-Yarmouth to Wakefield Westgate for 47488
on 0745 Kings Cross-Bradford back to Leeds.  Next it was 47305 on 1002 Bradford -Paignton (Started Bradford
SO) to Wakefield and then 46028 on 0655 Gloucester-Leeds back to Leeds.  This was followed by 40188 on 0900 Llandudno-York to York, for 40191 on 0803 Glasgow Queen St-Scarborough into Scarboro for 45019 back to York on 1434 Scarborough-York, (the stock for this train I think came off the Kings Cross-Scarboro).
Then came 55013 (My machine !!) on 1627 York-Kings Cross to Doncaster for 31404 on 1445 Kings Cross-Leeds into Wakefield Westgate for 31146 on 1345 Yarmouth-Leeds into Leeds.  Then came 46041 on 1710 Liverpool-Newcastle, taken to York then finishing off with a return trip to Doncaster with 55014 on
1700 Edinburgh-Kings Cross and returning with 47417 on 1900 Kings Cross-Newcastle.



Graham S Clark writes...

"I Went to Scotland that day from Gainsborough depart 0612, Unit to Sheffield then unit to Man Picc.
From Man Vic 40117 as far as Preston [loco change] & 81009 to carlisle, changed to the next service which
stopped at motherwell[ I am sure this split at Carstairs], anyway this was 86209.  3 hours later having done
shed works + Eastfield it was from Glasgow Queen St to Haymarket with 27112+27108.  Having done HA shed,
it was 27105+27212 to Edinburgh.

Edinburgh to Newcastle was 47460 [This was a bit a stir as it had just lost its wooden Great Eastern nameplates], From Newcastle to york 40107.  York to Doncaster 47468, I,m not sure, this may have been a cross country working.  We then had to get the first London service diverted off the ECML via Lincoln.  From Doncaster this service got in to Gainsborough Lea Road at 0015 ish and was 46050.  For A guess I will say the first diverted service of the ECML was from Newcastle has it always had a Gateshead 46 on it when I used or saw the service.

Sorry I did not write the times down etc but this was my miss spent youth."



Mike Kerry writes...

"I was out on the day of Doncaster open day and had the following;
25113 Notts - Derby (07.30 to Llandudno)
37067 Derby - Sheffield (1E04)
08539 shunting coaches in Sheffield for the Newcastle - Poole portion
40170 Sheffield - Worksop (Manchester - ??)
25264 + 25258 Worksop - Retford (Manchester - ??)
47525 Retford - Doncaster (KX - York)
47447 Doncaster - Peterborough (Yk - KX?)
25309 + 25303 Peterborough - Leicester (Yarmouth - Birmingham)
31321 Leicester - Hinckley (Norwich - BNS)
31188 Hinckley - Leicester (BNS - Norwich)
45136 Leicester - Derby (1P13)
45031 Derby - Sheffield (1E73 17.?? Cardiff - Sheffield)
45101 Sheffield - Nottingham (1M87 16.10 Glasgow - Nott'm)

Hope to have helped."



UD writes...

Looking at old notes of any trips long past and the years just roll back.

Heading for Derby on one of Etches Parks finest Class 120 BR Swindon Cross-country dmus, 08123 was noted in Stoke Yd (Closed 1981 - lifted mid 80's and now a small forest behind the station). The reason soon became obvious with the arrival of a Clay train, ex St Blazey, formed of short wheelbase, and sheeted open wagons, which arrived behind 81014. To the south of the station, 47450 was running around a rake of Mk II stock, which was to form the SO train to Holyhead.

I seem to remember that the following line up was dumped at Egginton junction at that time: 7076+8598+7096+832, but they don't appear in my notes, but that is probably because they were unchanged from previous journeys. Seeing these machines standing there, all those years ago, faded blue paint peeling badly, it was almost impossible to believe that any of them would ever work a passenger train again.

The Class 25 that flashed past us in the opposite direction was no doubt working the SO Nottingham - Llandudno. 20075+20183 were recorded at Willington PS with a coal train, back then the whole area between the main line and the power station was a mass of track, well stocked, mostly with rakes of coal trucks, but also a few tanks. On the curve at Derby 08333/455/462 20005/081/084/164 were noted as we arrived only minutes after the Derby - Yarmouth would have left, probably behind a pair of rats. Waiting for our Sheffield train, 08899 was the Derby station pilot, stabled, as usual, behind Platform 6. We looked on while 08333 drew a rake of stock slowly around the curve and into the station, with 20037+20193 on the other end. This then formed the SO Derby - Skegness. 25195/270, 47343 (noted earlier LD through Stoke) and back to back HST power cars 43038+039 all retired to the sheds, with 45130 and 46042 (service starting Derby, heading west) working passenger duties. We departed Derby on the SO Wellingborough - Scarborough service, which ran, as booked, via Nottingham, hauled by 45019.

On the approaches to Sheffield, 47181 passed with a southbound passenger. Sheffield station itself was busy to say the least with both passengers and services. 08745 was present, while 25258+25264 were recorded with the SO Manchester - Yarmouth duty, along with 45006 (South bound)/111/144(ex St Pancras), 46028/043 and 47549? also on passenger turns in what could have been a space of no more than fifteen minutes! We left on what I believe was a Sheffield - Doncaster additional, formed of Mk I stock hauled by 37128.

08331+08485 were at the NCL freight depot, with 08128/219/261 in yards around Rotherham.

37105+123, 47177/279 were stabled in sidings near Mexborough station. 40028 passed in the other direction (on parcels vans ex Cleethorpes).

At Doncaster, we were able to enter the works directly via the over bridge from the station. The following locos were recorded inside: 03079/161/397, 08071/099/184/310(part cut?)/444/504, 24066. 31007/012/143/176/208/209/212/218/226/251/257/286/295/303 (the 31/0's may have been part cut up), 37027/072/099/125/141/160/164/208/218/226/232/242/263/266/279. 50003/005/006/011/021/024/034/042/046, 55001/002/004/008/020, 56047/048 and frames of half a dozen others, 76020, a part HST rake including power cars 43080+081, Departmental ADB986010 (a snow plow converted from a Class 08), steam No.1, 251, 4468, 4472 and 4771. St Paddy & Nimbus were not officially withdrawn for a good few months, they had already worked their last. I remember thinking that 24066 looked in a very good external condition for a condemned loco, and as it turned out, it would be cut up within days.

We then returned to the station and spent a good four-five hours on the crowded platforms. The following locomotives were recorded, almost entirely on passenger duties: 08876 (station pilot), 31115/125/178/235/299/404/409, 37007/127/216/237, 40038/071, 45015/069, 46050, 47410/417/420/422/447/471/488/523/542/549/550, 55003/009/010/011/013/019/021/022, 43065/066/067/068/069/078. Most of the ECML traffic was loco-hauled with EH power. I think one, maybe both of the 31/4's arrived ex Leeds and were replaced by larger engines. I remember one of the Deltic's arrived from the north on a railtour formed of Pullman stock, which stabled in the station area for a hour or two before returning north. We reluctantly left on the 1754 SO Doncaster - Sheffield formed once again by 37128 and the stock on which we arrived.

As we arrived at Sheffield, 47351 was recorded, standing engine running, crewed up, obviously waiting for something. We, however, were waiting for the 1620 Newcastle - Cardiff, our move back to Derby. Then came the announcement that the Cardiff would be delayed due to a fatality on the line near York.

During the hour that followed, 45050 and 46039 worked north before 45108 arrived from St Pancras and proceeded to run around, to form the 2000 return. Eventually the Cardiff arrived with 40193, with 47351 going forward.

All in all a most memorable day out! My only regrets of that day are:

  1. I ended up on 45108 back to Derby when I could have had 47351 (but would have preferred 40193 to stay on the Cardiff (Obviously)!It was always a massive beast that one!). 
  2. That I didn't keep more detailed notes at that time. So if anyone can shed any light what the locos above might have been working or knows what locos worked any of summer dated holiday trains that day, I for one would be very interested to hear about it. 
  3. Not taking a camera, even though all I had at my disposal was a borrowed instamatic, which needed sunny conditions for anything like okay results. With a cloudy start to the day and a poor forecast it seamed pointless taking it. But the day soon developed into a glorious summer's day!


"The Timelord’s" report follows:

"I was studying in 78 so travelled up to Doncaster from Warwick, starting on a Tyseley chariot from Warwick to
Birmingham Moor Street. A quick walk through the hideous underground passages to New Street, where a 70s
summer Saturday was in full swing. 47381 was on 0902 New St to Weymouth, 47075 on 0849 Wolverhampton to
Portsmouth and 47334 on 0925 New St to Paignton.

The 0934 New St to Pwllheli was a fine collection of real units: 50766/56296/51110+50444/59151/50501.

I travelled up to Sheffield on 0740 Cardiff to Newcastle with 45047, then another chariot to Doncaster. You’ve listed
what was in the works, but one of the main attractions of the trip was to see class 56s under construction, with
56047/048 complete, 56049-55 in the New Build Shop, 56056/057 in the Paint Shop and 56058-060 in the
Fabrication Shop.

You also give a list of locos passing through Doncaster Station, and I can identify what some of these were doing:

47420 1255 Bradford to Kings Cross
40038 0940 Yarmouth to Newcastle
40071 up relief train
47410 1204 Kings Cross to Hull
47549 1245 Kings Cross to Bradford
55011 1300 Kings Cross to Edinburgh
31178 1220 Skegness to Leeds
47447 1413 York to Kings Cross
55019 1330 Kings Cross to Newcastle

I returned home via chariot to Sheffield, where the 1515 Manchester to Harwich boat train was being reengined from
40070 to 47172, 47283 was on 1100 Paignton to Bradford, 40170 on 1322 Skegness to Manchester, and 37112 on a
Folkestone to Newcastle SAGA. South to Birmingham was with 47476 on 1338 Newcastle to Swansea, then 47318
to Leamington Spa on 1838 New St to Paddington."

John Savage wrote....

I was there, aged the wonderful age of 8 days. My first exposure to railways was that. (I only know cause I've seen the photos). I got well and truly hooked when I got taken to north wales some 7 days later, whereupon I first rode on a train, the very youngest passenger on the first passenger train from Porthmadog to Tanygrisiau. Ffestiniog in the blood to this day.


Pete (D808) said...

I was there at DoncasterTravelled from Reading courtesy of double headed 31s replaced by double headed 20s at New . Street I think the tour was by RPPR. Got some wonderful shots of 24066 at Doncaster plus of course 55001 St Paddy, which never left! The shots taken on the station were good as well, 40s, 46s and 55s with the odd HST working.  How times have changed. 


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