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Q. Bob
Wells asks..."5th
February 1983:
At Giggleswick station waiting a service train to Leeds I noted an east
bound loco hauled train comprising 25242, 87019 and 25161
(not necessarily in that order). From my notes made at the time this
was a diverted Birmingham train, the wires were down at
Hest Bank on the WCML. The weather was foul that day, hail, snow, gales.
That in effect suggests that the train had come
south from Carlisle, reversed at Carnforth and presumably having run via
Hellifield would have taken the Clitheroe - Blackburn
line to Preston (or further south?).
Can anyone confirm this assumption or indeed identify the train please?
Question
posted: 13/12/03
A. Peter Smith
(Working Wennington box that evening) responds..."87015
brought down the OHL at Hest Bank on 1S59 0935 Euston
- Inverness at about 1330 hrs. 47224 eventually rescued and took
the damaged stock to Carlisle. 87019 on 1M27 1115
Glasgow C - Birmingham NS was trapped north of Hest Bank and returned wrong
line to Carnforth behind 25242 - which
continued via Wennington, Settle Jn and Blackburn to Preston with 87019
on the rear. Other trains diverted via the S&C
- 40194 worked 1S39 0715 Plymouth - Glasgow - EXCEPT 1M22 1323 Glasgow
C-Liverpool L.St which ran via Oxenholme,
Penrith and reversed at Carnforth with 47366 working Carnforth - Preston
via Wennington, Settle Jn and Blackburn.
Single line working started at around 1900 with diesel drags."
This just leaves one unanswerd point
- what did 25161 work?
Answered:
20/12/03
Q. Greg
Dash asks..."On
Friday August 8th 1986 around early to mid afternoon, I was waiting at
Foxton level crossing on the
Cambridge to Hitchin line. At Foxton there is a connection into the
Barrington cement works exchange sidings. The train that
went past was a cement train going into the works from the Cambridge/Whitemoor
direction but the only difference was that it
had a Class 50 on the front! Talk about off the beaten
track!! Firstly, I want to know what engine it was and anybody else
that
remembers seeing this train? I would imagine it would have gone back
to Cambridge or Whitemoor with loaded wagons?
Any help or info greatly appreciated!
Question
posted: 16/08/03
A. 'The Timelord'
writes..."I have been
trying to get info on the class 50 at Foxton story. I have asked
a number of reliable
contacts in Anglia and none can remember such an event.
My Cambridge correspondent of the time saw 31126 leave Cambridge light
engine for Foxton at 1358 on 6/8/86 and arrive back
at Cambridge with cement wagons at 1440. 31126 was one of the early
non-eh refurbishments and was already in railfreight
livery in 1986. I expect that it was 31126 that held up Mr Dash at
Foxton crossing, not a class 50?"
Answered:
14/12/03
Q. Does
anyone have
any information regarding north bound SW/NE Relief's on Thursday the 8th
of August 1985? Specifically, what
worked, what was believed at the time to be a 0906 Bristol - York.
This was a well bashed train, has many used this service to reach
Derby and 37008 hauling the 1030 York - Plymouth Relief.
Question
posted: 15/11/03
A. 'The Buzzard'
writes..."I regularly
used the 0906 Bristol - York (1E51) relief as a means of getting to Derby
for the 1030
York - Plymouth (1V32) relief. On this day a rancid (though some
may argue differently nowadays!) 47612 did the honours.
37008 back to New Street on 1V32 for a fester for 37036 down the
bank on 1V46 1255 York-Cardiff C. I had 50049 back from
Cheltenham on 1E37 1340 Paignton - Newcastle vice tram being withered at
New St as we caught up an earlier failed train with
2x37 at the helm; a peak having failed in the Lickey vicinity. 47093
worked 1M88 0625 Poole - Man P and returned with 1V16
1725 Man P- Padd."
Answered:
15/11/03
Q. Richard
Rooker asks..."Due
to me losing my haulage book for 10th July - 28th Nov 1987, I am trying
to track down a couple of
locos I had. On 26th July and 9th & 31st August there were additional
trains which were booked for class 20's - 0725 Newcastle
- York & 1812 York - Newcastle in connection with York - Scarborough
- York steam excursions. Does anyone know which pair
worked the 1812 York - Newcastle on the 31st August?"
In further correspondence Richard stated that one of the locos may
have
been 20119.
Question
posted: 20/09/03
A. Colin Williams
reports..."My records
show 20119 & 20144 in the MORNING of 31st August 1987 on the 07.25
Newcastle to York,
should have been the same pair on the way back."
Answered :
27/09/03
Q.
Richard Rooker inquired... "Due
to me losing my haulage book for 10th July - 28th Nov 1987, I am trying
to track down a couple
of locos I had. Did 58002 do a Wolverhampton - New Street drag during
this time?"
A.
There are currently
two known occasions when 58002 worked passenger turns during 1987.
on 24/10/87 it worked specials
between Corby - Kettering, then on 22/11/87, 58002 was used on Various
Nuneaton drags including 1A06 0900 Wolverhampton
- Euston dragging 86411 between Wolverhampton & Nuneaton.
Question posted
: 20/09/03 Answered : 20/09/03
Q.
Ian Bareham posted the following on our long gone Noticeboard feature..."On
6.4.87 was line bashing in Birmingham area on unit
53121 59642 53050 on a Worcester Shurb Hill - New St service,with engine
trouble, so banked up Lickey by unidentified 37.
Any one with any Gen?"
A. John
Bridge states..."( presumably
) 37699, it banked us on 1S19 2125 Bristol -Glasgow."
Question posted
: 19/07/02 Answered : 03/05/03
Q. David
Charlesworth inquires..."I
am look for more information about the Sand Trains which ran from Fen Drayton
(on the old
St.Ives line) to Kings Cross until about 1991.
I am looking for any pictures of this working, in particular on the Chesterton
Jt to Fen Drayton Section. I am also trying to find
the answers to the following questions.
Motive Power.
1. I know that both single 37 and pairs of 31 were used on this service.
What date did the 31s replace the 37?
2. I have heard that towards the end of the service 56 were also used,
can anyone confirm this?
Wagons
3. The service used 16t mineral wagon in the early 1970's. by the 1980's
these has been replaced by HTV Hopper wagons.
These were later replaced by bogie hopper wagons. Can anyone give
dates for the change over of wagon type? Also can anyone
confirm the type of bogie wagon that was used towards the end?
Service.
4. Could some please confirm the start and finish dates of this service?"
Question
posted: 29/03/03 Answer: 26/04/03
A. 'The
Timelord' writes..."Motive
Power:
The train was booked single class
37 until May 1983 timetable change. Last working was 37049 on 13/5/83.
From May 1983 the train was booked
31+37 in multiple but usually got 2*31 starting with 31292+201 on 16/5/83.
From January 1987 until January
1988 the train was booked a 47 on the branch then 2*31 up to Kings Cross.
Last 47 to work like
this was 47355 on 21/1/88.
Train was then booked 2*31 until
8/3/91 when 31294+184 worked the train.
Train was booked a 56 from 11/3/91
when 56045 worked the train, though there were a few 2*31 workings after
that.
I think that the train ran for
the last time on 27/3/92 with 56035, but I would need to go through the
bureaucracy more carefully to
make sure of this.
(I have fairly comprehensive
gen on what hauled the train from summer 1982 onwards, which I hope will
eventually get onto the
website I am developing)
Wagons:
I don’t remember the train ever
using 16 ton hoppers. When I first saw the train it was HTVs with “House
Coal Concentration” written
on the side. HTVs were used
up to 1/88.
The train went airbraked with
PBA bogie hoppers on 1/2/88.
Dates:
I first saw the train in 1969
on my way to school, when the St Ives line was still open to passengers,
so it started before then!
As stated above, I think last
train ran on 27/3/92.
Photographs:
I have a few photos on the branch,
and more taken in the Royston area. Most of the latter are towards the
end of 2*31 haulage.
Unfortunately I don’t have a
scanner as yet..."
If you have photos or further
details of this working, please contact us first
and we will pass the details on.
Q. Richard
Rooker said..."In
Sep 86 I would go out on Sundays to scratch in some Cromptons and I was
just wondering if anyone
would be able to put some times to these trains. I have given some
extra notes in case they help, but the main train I am
intrested in is the one from Manchester to Whitchurch/ Wem.
07/09/86
45062 - Sheffield - Earls sidings - 1M74 0720 Harwich - Manchester.
45111 - Earls sidings - Stockport - 1M74 0720 Harwich - Manchester.
Normally I would then make the next train at Manchester but because of
the failure of 45062 I bailed at Stockport.
47302 - Stockport - Whitchurch - ???? Manchester - Cardiff or Swansea.
I normally planned to do this train to Wem for the 1405 Cardiff - Crewe
but if it was running a bit late it be Whitchurch.
33039 - Whitchurch - Crewe. 1405 Cardiff - Crewe.
21/09/86
37069 - Sheffield - Manchester - 0720 Harwich - Manchester.
47522 - Manchester - Wem - ???? Manchester - Cardiff or Swansea.
33049 - Wem - Crewe - 1405 Cardiff - Crewe.
33044 - Crewe - Stockport - 1435 Swansea - Manchester.
86230 - Stockport - Manchester - ???? Euston - Manchester.
86223 - Manchester - Stockport - ???? Manchester - Euston.
31219 - Stockport - Sheffield - ???? Liverpool - Hull or Cleethorpes?
I am not too bothered with the cans on this but have put them in, in case
you are able to work out what the NB 31 was on.
I do notice in the Diary pages that 31219 worked the 1145 Liverpool - Cleethorpes
the following day so it must have worked
an early train back out of Hull or Cleethorpes on the 22nd.
28/09/86
45128 - Sheffield - Manchester - 0720 Harwich - Manchester.
On arrival at Manchester I found my usual train to Whitchurch/ Wem was
starting at Crewe due to some problem so I did
a unit over to Crewe where it was held for connections.
47332 Crewe - Whitchurch - ???? Manchester - Cardiff or Swansea starting
from Crewe.
33006 Whitchurch - Crewe - 1405 Cardiff - Crewe.
47451 Crewe - Manchester - 1435 Swansea - Manchester.
A. I
remember the Sunday Wem leap very well and must have done it at least half
a dozen times during the summer of 86. The
trains involved were 1V13 1500 Manchester Picc - Swansea which made 1M84
1405 Cardiff - Crewe and was a plus 23 at Wem,
but if 1V13 was on time or you could always risk the 'Man of Steel' move
which was the minus 3 at Shrewsbury!
On the 21/09/86 47522 must have been 1V13 as above. I looked up times
for 1M86 ( 1435 ex Swansea ) and noted was
booked 1935 arriving at Manchester.
Only two electric hauled turns were booked to depart after that, only one
of them to Euston, which must put 86223 on the
1A43 2000 to Euston and 31219 on something after that.
The 1E35 1852 Lime St - Hull was booked only six minutes behind 1A43, so
31219 was most probably working this train.
There was also a 1E37 to Hull a hour later, so really depends on how long
you hung around.
I was out and in the area on the 28/09/86 and fully intended doing
the Wem leap especially as it would be the last time
1M84 would get a Crompton. However, having arrived at Piccadilly
we found that 1V13 appeared to have been caped! If
I remember correctly, the loco and stock for 1V13 usually came up from
Crewe ECS. Don't have records of anything
exciting having been quoted for 1V13, so suspect a EH 47 must have failed
before the ECS move and 47332 was a late substitute.
Booked dep time for 1V13 off Crewe was 1556.
We ended up on the 1520 Manchester - Harwich with 45128 to Sheffield and
straight back with 47417 on 1S85 1503 Notts -
Glasgow. Remember not being best pleased by the none appearance of
1V13 out of Manchester to say the least!
Q. Jason Warner asks
: " Which Class 20 locomotives
didn't make it to Skegness on passenger trains? (Or conversely which
ones
did)."
Question posted: 24/02/01
A. Not
having had time to go through all my records as yet, I've come up with
the following list of locos that I believe have visited
Skegness. 20002/004-007/013/016/019/022/025/026/029/030/032/039-042/047/048/053/055-057/060/063/065/071-073/075/077/078
20082-085/087/088/090/092/096-099/101/105-108/112-114/120/121/124/127/128/131/135/136/139-144/147/150/151/155/157-161
20164-165/168-170/172/173/176/180-183/186-190/193-195/197-199/209/213-217/227.
This
is not a complete list and mostly features
workings that I am aware of from 1982/85 and 88 plus others that I definitely
remember working at other times.
Mark
Widdison writes..."From my records
the following didn't make it to Skegness:
20008,009,011,012,015,017,024,027,028,035,036,044,046,049,057,061,062,074,076,079,080,
20086,089,091,093,098,100,104,109,111,116,119,122,123,126,137,149,152,156,200-207,220-226,228.
A total of 172 have made it to Skegness."
Pip
Dunn adds..."From my records which I not only
believe to be correct, but also fairly comprehensive, the following Class
20s
have been to Skegness on passenger trains, and includes a few listed on
your site as not having been so....
20001-009, 20013/014/016/019/020, 20022/023/025/026, 20028-035, 20037-045,
20047-056, 20058-060, 20062-078, 20080-085, 20087/088, 20090-092, 20094-099,
20101-108, 20110-115, 20117/118/120/121/124/125, 20127-136, 20138-153,
20155-199, 20208-210, 20212-219, 20227
also, 20225 has been there as 20905 on the weedkiller...
plus 20021 and 20057 have both worked Skeg trains but failed (or their
partners failed) and never actually made it there!
Also, just for info, 20226 has also been to Boston, LD, to collect 20140
which had been dumped there after failing on a returning
Skeg-Sheffield."
First Answered: 14/12/02 Additional
details added 29/03/03
If you can cross off any more off the above list, please let us know details
and we'll update asap.
Q. CRAIG asks..."In
the early 80s I did a tour called the 'BURNTISLAND BELLOWER' I wish
to know the full route
with milages and locos if anybody has them to hand please. I joined
this train at Sheffield with 2x31s. I have since
lost all my notes for this tour but I think it was as follows but correct
me if im wrong as its a long time ago:
SHEFFIELD - EDINBURGH
31195?+31327
EDINBURGH - MOSSEND YARD 26001+26006
MOSSEND YARD - CARLISLE 20***+20***
(I think one failed en route would like to know where)
CARLISLE - NEWCASTLE
25***+25***
NEWCASTLE - SHEFFIELD
31195?+31327
Any help will be much appreciated.
Question posted: 02/11/02
A. Martin
S writes..."This tour ran overnight starting
on Friday 30th September 1983 with 31 327 & 31 291 not 195.
I joined at Doncaster where the routed was then Leeds, York, ECML to Edinburgh.
26 001 and 26 006 round the suburban
lines then Thornton Junction, back to Mossend for 20 149 and 20 202 to
Ayr, Mauchline Junction, Dumfries and Carlisle.
25 051 and 25 239 via Hexham and the old river crossing west of Newcastle
to Newcastle. Finally the same two 31's back
the same route down the ECML via Leeds to Doncaster."
Colin William adds..."My notes
state that 20149 shut down at Kirconnel, but as I recall it was all a complete
farce and a
mega stagger ensued..."
Answered: 09/11/02 + extra details
16/11/02
Q. Stuart Greer asks..."On
1st October 1983, I travelled BNS - Morecambe & return hauled by 40196
as the "Morecambe
Landcruise". Can anyone supply the headcode & routing for this
train?"
We've got partial details re this train outwards.
The code I have is 1Z12 with a 08:30 time @ BNS.
Is this the one that started from Wolverhampton, was formed of AIRCONs
and reached BNS behind a ETH duff?
Question posted: 16/02/02
Tony Traynor adds..."I had this train from Morecambe
to Warrington , just before we left Morecame a group of us had a whip
round for the driver to bribe him to give it loads of thrash whilst en
route, which he did!"
A.
David Downer "I
travelled on this train on the return journey (the train orginated from
Shrewsbury with a 47 and it was only later in
the day that I found out that 40196 was on the train.
Return routing was: Morecambe, Lancaster, Preston, Wigan NW, Warrington
BQ, Frodsham, Chester, Wrexham General,
Gobowen, Shrewsbury, Wellington, Wolverhampton, Coseley, Birmingham NS."
Answered: 10/05/03
Q. Robert Hay
asks..."Headcode request, can anyone help?
25 Nov 1983 31188 1655 BTM-DBY addl
22 Feb 1984 31226 1838 PET-LSM addl (think
this originated elsewhere, KGX?)
Thanks in anticipation."
Question posted: 09/02/02
Neil Hirst adds the following details..."31
226 did indeed work from Kings Cross as 17.25 Kings Cross - Lincoln additional.
I had 40 122 to Lincoln on the same train on Monday 20th. February.
This train ran to St. Marks station. Still searching for
headcode."
A.
Q. Martin Reeve
asks..." Does anybody know what worked the 14.13
Portsmouth - York forward from New Street on 05/08/85?"
It
may also be worth reporting what worked the 14:00 Hull - Brighton into
New St, as this was usually the same loco.
A. Gary
Stratford replies..."Not too sure why I did
this move but I had 31442 on the 1413 Portsmouth H - York (1E31) forward
from
Birmingham to Burton." He continues..."A
good day with a double score pair 31166/31162 from New St to Derby on 1E51
0906
Bristol-York relief for required 47015 back to New St on 1V32 1030 York-Penzance.
Also later, required 47286 from New St
to Derby on 1E25 0918 Penzance-Leeds. The day finished with a New
St-Coventry travelcard leap with dud 47287 on 1V16 1725
Man Picc-Paddington. I scored it the previous Sat morning on the FO 1O29
2232 Leeds-Portsmouth ex New St."
Q. Martin Reeve
also asks..."Also, I had 45070 Wolves - New Street
on 10/08/85, possibly heading towards Plymouth, but
what train was it on? It was sometime in the afternoon as I came
back from ZC open day to Wolves on 86210 13.10 Lancaster
- BNS, then forward from BNS on 31421/425 on 16.10 BNS - Norwich.
Any help appreciated."
Our own notes for Saturday 10/08/85 show the peak arriving with
a service from Llandudno, but with no time or code.
Steve Marshall then added ... "I travelled
behind it (45070)
in
the morning from BNS to Wolves. The train was 1D23 0909 BNS
-Llandudno which I think was a booked service train at that time."
Did 45070 then work something down the bank?
A.
Having checked all this out, can confirm 1D23 was indeed a booked turn
with an expected return working running as 1G54,
dep Llandudno 1238 with an 1553 arrival at New st. 1G54 should have
been about 40 mins behind the 1310 ex Lancaster.
With the above information and judging by my own moves and other service
details recored at the time, it now looks extremely
likely that the unidentified service was 1G54.
Answered: 28/09/02
Q. Simon Mott inquires..."Does
anyone have any details of workings, both passenger and freight, over the
Carnforth to Barrow
(Furness Line) from 1980 onwards. I am trying to compile a
comprehensive record from 1st January 1980."
Question posted: 20/10/01
A.
Q. G S Clark asks..."Can
any one confirm 47550 worked a Skegness - Leeds service on 19/9/87?"
For a listing of the 1D10 06:13 SO Leeds
- Skegness & 1L26 10:21 rtn follow this
link . The 1D10 & 1L26 are now reported
as
worked by 47520 on the 19/9/87. But what worked the 1D20 09:20 ex
Leeds and 1L31 13:40 rtn?
Question posted: 29/09/01 : amended
24/11/01
A.
Q. Paul Lemon
writes..."On this weekend's (
08/09/01 ) update you have added 31166
& 31233 working from Norwich to
Birmingham on 27th August 1983 ( With
1M76 1557 Yarmouth - Birmingham New St)
. Traction Magazine (Feb 2000)
records 31166 & 31151 worked 0608 Peterborough to Great Yarmouth.
Whilst it's not impossible, I would have
thought it unlikely the pairings were swapped at Norwich."
A. The item
in Traction Magazine detailed above relates to an article which appeared
in a earlier edition, namely that of October 1999.
This, by Mr Peter Hall, contained details of the Summer Saturday trains
between Yarmouth & the North. This stated that on
27th August 1983, a solo 31151 was reported as working the 1E73 09:35 Yarmouth
- Leeds forward from Norwich. If both the
above items are correct ( and I have no reason to believe they are not
), it looks like the pair did split at Norwich.
Question posted & Answered:
15/09/01
David Garnett adds..."The gen sheets for West
Yorkshire, show 31151 on the Yarmouth to Leeds (did need it at the
time but was
on 40135 to Aberystwyth), and also the Yarmouth portions been allocated
to 31110 & 31233, but no mention of 31166?
Hopes this helps but probably only deepens the mystery."
Q. The above
being the case, what loco(s) worked the 1G14 07:22 Derby - Birmingham
NS and then the 1E64 10:15 Birmingham N
- Yarmouth across to Norwich on the 27th August 1983 and does anyone recall
other Summer Saturday pairs of 31's splitting and
re-reforming at Norwich?
Question posted: 15/09/01
A. 31248+31319
are now understood to have worked 1E64 10:15 Birmingham N - Yarmouth
across to Norwich on the 27th
August 1983
Answered: 05/01/02
Q. Greg Hewitt writes..."My
father was the driver of the very last 506 from Hadfield to Glossop.
On 7th December 1984.
I understand there was a 506 group, at the time ,but that this is now defunct.
My father tells me that audio tapes were
made of him as he drove the train also some anecdotes of his steam days.
I am desperately looking for copies of these
tapes as he is currently unwell."
If anyone can help track down a copy of
these tapes, Greg can be contacted via email at GHewittmanu@aol.com
.
Q. On
Sunday the 16th February 1986 saw the dragging of electric hauled &
EMU services Between Liverpool Street & Ilford or
Romford Paul Lemon has informed me that at least 37055, 37057, 31311
& 2 unknown Class 47s were involved, but can
anyone pin locos to individual services?
Question posted: 04/08/01
A. Gary
Stratford (The Buzzard) says..."With regards to the
famous Ilford drags on Sun 16/02/86, I had 47277 on 1Y08 1330
Liverpool St-Ipswich dragging 312796 to Ilford for the unit forward to
Romford. Back into the Street from there with 37055
dragging 312781 on 2C21 1255 Clacton - Liverpool Street. On arrival
at the Street, 37057 backed onto the other end to form
1Y10 1530 Liverpool St - Ipswich dragging 312781 to Ilford. I then
continued again on the unit to Romford for 31311 back to
the Street dragging 312787 on 2C25 1442 Clacton - Liverpool St."
Posted: 06/08/01
Mike
Hodge adds..."31105 2F38 14:00 Liv St
- Clacton, 31311 1C13 11:58 Clacton - Liv St & 37055
2F34 13:00 Liv St -
Clacton." See also Some
Anglia Dragging .
Posted: 22/09/01
Q. A
friend of ours, a haulage basher since the early 80's, only used
to record the date, loco number and points between which
he had the locos. Now he would like to find out service details!
In the table below are a selection of some of his moves.
We have already attempted to identify a few of the workings but can
you help identify any more?
Question posted: 09/06/01
12/8/84 (Sunday)
47190 Stafford - Birmingham NS
47331 Birmingham - Leamington Spa
86227 Coventry - Wolverhampton
47088 Wolverhampton - Birmingham NS
85021 Birmingham NS - Wolverhampton
47131 Wolverhampton - Birmingham NS
85037 Birmingham NS - Manchester P |
1V79 08:25 Manchester P - Bristol TM (1)
1O19 08:25 Liverpool LS - Poole(2)
1G06 13:05 Manchester P - Birmingham NS (3)
1M03 1159 Portsmouth - Manchester P (8)
1G62 15:25 Manchester P - Birmingham NS (3)
1M60 13:10 Plymouth - Manchester P (3)
|
13/8/84
47225 Crewe - Birmingham NS
85039 Birmingham NS - Wolverhampton
86326 Wolverhampton - Birmingham NS
86321 Birmingham NS - Birmingham International
47480 Birmingham International - Birmingham NS
45059 Birmingham NS - Derby
43182+186 Derby - Birmingham NS
86240 Birmingham NS - Coventry
47446 Coventry - Birmingham NS
46011 Birmingham NS - Derby
43148+131 Derby - Birmingham NS |
???? ???? Crewe - Penzance Relief?(4)
1M33 0720 Glasgow C - Birmingham NS(7)
1E63 between RG-BNS?
(5)
1E13 1413 Portsmouth - York to New St(6)
1E13 1413 Portsmouth - York, fwd. from New St
|
Notes:
1. Confirmed by Gareth Dunn. 1V79 was diverted
via Crewe, not via Stoke as booked.
2. Confirmed by Gareth Dunn. Steve thinks
47331 ran via Solihull and he caught a bus to Coventry.
3. Confirmed by Mike Tongue.
4.
Again 95% sure about this. 10:12 off Crewe?
5.
This is most likely the 1E81 11:30 Reading - York fwd from Birmingham NS
- but confirmation would be welcome?
6.
Confirmed by Mike Tetlow
7.
Working confirmed by Stuart Greer.
8.
Electric from Coventry, confirmed by Alan Baylis.
Any additional information or confirmation of any of the above (especially
the none-ETH workings) would be of great help.
A. Mike Tetlow says..."
I can only confirm the working on 47446 on 13/8/1984. This is an extract
of my moves on that day :-
1O01 0805 PMH-POO 0955
BSK-SOU 31.46 185.24 9 47567 CF
1E63 0940 POO-NCL 1028 SOU-RDG
46.98 192.53 4 47594 CF
1E81 1130 RDG-YRK 1130 RDG-BAN
50.09 50.09 1 31106 HM & 31263 MR
1O74 0958 MAN-BTN 1254 BAN-RDG
50.09 65.60 2 47612 OC
1E13 1413 PMH-YRK 1509 GLD-RDG
25.95 171.06 5 47446 CD
1A79 1650 PLY-PAD 1951 RDG-PAD
35.91 35.91 1 47224 CF o
1B74 2105 PAD-SWA 2105 PAD-RDG
35.91 191.37 3 43178 PM & 43136 PM"
30/06/01.
Contacting us
Q. Does
anyone have any gen re the 1E34 09:15 SO Manchester P - Yarmouth from 1981?
We think loco changes usually took place at
Sheffield and Norwich during that year. The only gen we have so far
concerns the involvement of 37102 (6/6) & 37128 (1/8)
presumably working the Sheffield - Norwich leg (But confirmation would
be welcome). We would be interested to receive any
gen on this service, to allow a list to appear on this site, but we are
especially keen to find out what worked this train on the
15th of August 81.
Question posted: 09/06/01
A.
Q. Over
the Spring Bank holiday, late may 82, in addition to the usual relief's
as you would have expected, a large number of trains were
run in connection with Papal visits to a number of venues including; Wembley,
Coventry, Liverpool, Manchester, York and Cardiff.
These special arrangements included, on Monday 31st, a half hourly
Blackpool - Manchester V service with all trains hauled.
The following locomotives are believed to have been involved;
25130/189/282,
40001/020/027/069/077/092/094/129/162/183,
and possibly others but can anyone
match individual locos to trains?
A. David Harlott reports
the following:
"31/5/82.
25189, xxxx 1145 Manchester
Victoria-Blackpool North,
40129, xxxx 1140 Blackpool North-Manchester
Victoria"
For more details of the Manchester
V - Blackpool N hauled services in connection with this event, please follow
This
Link .
Q. On the same day the
Pope also visited York. With over 100,000 extra passengers expected
a large number of extra trains were run.
Again
the following list of locos are believed to be amongst those used;
31138/160/166/202/208/268/404/410,
37192, 40012/068/085/087/158, 45022/042, 47001/068/094/118/121/221/288/316/372/375/446.
Can anyone match any of these locos to trains?
A. David Garnett reports
the following:
"31st May 1982
40068 1G16 Huddersfield - York
46046 1G15 ? - Scarborough
47094 ???? ? - ? Worked between
Leeds & York
40012 worked 0942 Poole - Newcastle
from Sheffield
37192 I believe worked a Newcastle
- York via the coast route
45042 1G27 Huddersfield - York
40158 1G39 Huddersfield - York
31410 2L40 0728 Huddersfield
- Scarborough
47093 1G25 Huddersfield - York
45036 ???? 0820 Leeds - Birmingham
31258 ???? 0857 Leeds - Carlisle
46046 ???? Huddersfield - York
47473 ???? 0740? Scarborough
- Liverpool LS
47446 ???? 0840? Scarborough
- Liverpool LS
46037 ???? 0905? Liverpool LS
- Scarborough
45112 ???? 0922? Newcastle -
Liverpool LS
47319 ???? York - Huddersfield
40087 ???? York - Huddersfield
40158 ???? York - Huddersfield
47001 ???? York - Huddersfield
46025 ???? 1720? Newcastle -
Liverpool LS failed at Peckfield, 47250 pushed to Leeds, 47068 forward
46037 ???? 1905? Liverpool LS
- York
47473 ???? 1925? Scarborough
- Liverpool LS
from my & Dave Martins records."
A. David Harlott reports
the following additions:
"Looking at my records
for the above week I find the following.
31/5/82.
47103, 1E35 2025 Edinburgh-Kings
Cross [30/5 dep.]
40087, 1G30 0612 Middlesborough-York
31166, 1G24 0710 Middlesborough-York
47287, 1E79 1005 Liverpool Lime
Street-Newcastle
37068, 1G11 1623 York-Newcastle
47288, 1G25 1840 York-Newcastle
46023, 1A40 2100 Newcastle-Kings
Cross
47220, 1G39 2250 York-Newcastle"
(See also Manchester {above} &
Cardiff {below}.
Q.
A large number of loco hauled trains are also ran to Cardiff.
Does anyone have any details?
For more
details of the additional 'Pope-ex' trains around Cardiff on Tuesday
2nd June 1982 follow this link here.
Further additional info re any of the above most
welcome.
Contacting us
Q. In response
to a request from Scott Borthwick : Does anyone have
any gen on the special `FLOWEREX` trains that ran to
the Spalding Tulip festival each May? In this instance we would be
interested to hear details of any trains from the 80's
including those worked by EH locos and even those formed of units.
Also, does anyone have details of what happened to
the stock, where did it stable?
Question posted: 10/02/01
Now see the new Spalding Flowershow Specials
page for details of these workings.
Q. Gary Blyth asks
: " On Saturday 6th August 1983, I was
returning from a "lads" holiday in Weymouth and from Bristol I caught
47257 back to Birmingham New Street on what I believe was the 10:30 Penzance
- Newcastle. I duly fell asleep until woken with jolt
at Bromsgrove when the "bankers" were placed on the rear to assist up the
lickey. I witnessed the thrash behind me but to this
day have never had the locos confirmed (2X37). Soon after I asked
the question to one of my colleagues and he thought they
could have been 37284 & 37298 but wasn't sure."
Question posted: 27/01/01
A.
Contacting us
Q. The 1982 Cambrian
services listing on this site shows the 1J24
1010 SO Euston - Aberystwyth as hauled by 25146+25123 on 31/7
,but a fresh report gives the locos as 25146+25279 upon departure from
Birmingham New Street. Is this report erroneous or was
25279 replaced by 25123 at Wolverhampton or Shrewsbury for some reason?
Question posted: 06/01/01
A. It
would appear that the report of 25279's involvement on this date was in
error. Alan Lea writes... "I can confirm that
25146 + 25123
did 10.10 Euston Aber on 31/7/82 As I had them Birmingham to Wolverhampton.
I arrived in Birmingham off 47328 on the 08.23
York to Tenby went to Wolves on them and went back to Birmingham on 86252
on 09.00 Llandudno to Euston."
Question
answered: 07/01/01
Q. Can
anyone tell me where the following list of services, all from 1981, were
booked to change locos?
1O13
07:50 Leeds - Weymouth.
1E27
09:58 Weymouth - Leeds
1E69
10:55 Weymouth - Leeds
1O11
07:10 Bradford - Weymouth
1E28
07:57 Weymouth - Bradford
Question posted: 06/01/01
A. The following details
have now been received. David Davis writes..."I
have found your info in 1981 loco hauled travel as follows:
07.57 Weymouth - Bradford was a CD 47 Weymouth to Birmingham for a 46 forward
throughout. Run round at Leeds
09.58 Weymouth - Leeds BS 47 Weymouth to Birmingham for unknown loco forward
to Leeds
10.55 Weymouth - Bradford TE 47 until 26.09.81 and a CD 47 on the 03.10.81
last week
07.50 Leeds - Weymouth Unknown Leeds to Birmingham (probably the outward
diagram to the loco that worked forward from Brum
on the 09.58 from Weymouth poss a 45 diagram) and BS 47 Birmingham to Weymouth
07.10 Bradford - Weymouth TE 47 Throughout
All above services avoided Reading and the 07.10 Bradford - Weymouth
and 10.55 Weymouth - Bradford also avoided Birmingham"
New pages listing with known details of these services have now been added
to this site and can be reached from the links above.
Thanks also to Richard Boyd who provided similar details.
Question
answered: 07/01/01
Q. Could
the appearance of 27059 on the 1B67 1832 Carstairs - Edinburgh, (Portion
off 1S61 0734 ex Poole) on 3rd May 87 be the last
ever appearance of a Class 27 on a scheduled service, or does anyone know
of a later working?
Question posted: 06/01/01
A. Tim
Proudman writes..."No, there were several workings
after this day. According to 'Circuit' (the excellent magazine once
published by the Class 27 Loco Group), the last working was 27066 on July
12th 1987, when it worked the 1445 Glasgow Central
- Carlisle forward from Kilmarnock."Question
answered: 22/01/01
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