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Q. Jason Ralphs asks..."Could anyone help me with some info I am missing from my moves
from the early eighties with dates and train details?
I did 56003
from Sheffield to Manchester Victoria some time in 1983 or 1984
on a Barrow in
Furness or Glasgow Central train. Also I can remember a Class
47 been in tandem or dead in tow?
A. Richard Rooker tells us ... "56003 worked 1S49 0727 Nottingham - Glasgow Central from Sheffield - Preston hauling 47433 on 29th Oct 1983.
Info from February 1984 issue of Rail."
Steve Kemp adds... "The 47 was dead and the 56 worked as far as Preston pictures below
56003
arrives at Man Vic with 47433 29/10/1983 on the Notts Glasgow
http://stevekempsbritishtransportphotos.fotopic.net/p47931077.html &
http://stevekempsbritishtransportphotos.fotopic.net/p47931075.html "
Q. Your Webmaster asks... "Conflicting reporting codes... can anyone help!!!
1H84 show the
early morning Stanraer Harbour - Glasgow Central as coded
1A92 with a 0732 departure. But...
The Loco-Hauled travel 1985-5 booklet as this down as 1A18 0735 Stanraer Harbour - Glasgow Central .
The departure
time of this service is confirmed by the full GB 84-5 passenger
timetable as 0735 departure...
But just what
is the correct reporting code: 1A92 , 1A18, or something else
entirely?
A. Ted Robinson replies... "With reference to your question regarding the Stranraer Harbour-Glasgow Central working of 1984/85.
According to the WTT the train ran at 07:35 M-S and was coded 1A92.
Also during the 84/85 timetable there were the following Class 1 workings:
1A94 13:35 M-S SH-GC
1A96 18:35 M-S SH-GC
1A70 18:35 SUN SH-GC
All the above were
Loco Hauled, plus there was a service booked for DMU on Fridays and
Saturdays which left Stranrear Harbour for Glasgow Central
at 21:25 and was coded 1A80."
Q. C Bennett asks... "Does anyone have a list of what was at Crewe Works open day 22nd September 1979, my notes have
got lost over
the years and I would like to have a record of what was there over 30
years ago."
A. List compiled by David Rapson
08088
40179 47250 47496
86030
08329
40181 47267 47498
86037
20033
40185 47301 47505
86216
20081
40187 47313 47508
86224
20097
47024 47320 47517
86248
20136
47026 47355 47519
87012
20174
47036 47361 47536
87033
24081
47042 47375 47552
W40328
37001
47049 47404 47701
W41144
37041
47059 47405 47708
W42267
37183
47089 47410 47901
W43000
40008
47103 47417 81015
W43131
40022
47117 47419 81017
W43132
40027
47150 47432 82001
W43133
40029
47152 47437 82005
W43134
40044
47160 47444 82006
W43137
40079
47164 47448 82007
W43138
40103
47204 47464 82008
SC48104
40113
47207 47465 83002
SC48402
40139
47213 47466 83007
SC48502
40157
47230 47475 85025
SC48604
40162
47231 47480 86004
SC49005
40174
Notes
47496 for conversion to 47710
47498 for conversion to 47711
47505 for conversion to 47712
Craig says... "I have a list but unfortunately it’s a complete list of my entire trip from
Loughborough to Crewe and back so includes all of what was in Crewe
works
but
doesn’t break the list down. I can however confirm the following as
being in the works due to captions on the back of the Kodak instamatic
pícs
I took at the time!
Across the traverser lines …
40048 (withdrawn)
47045
47472
47290
47407
40063
47209
40123
47530
40068
40074
47007
Inside the diesel sheds …
40162
47517
47710
47375
On display
24081
In the electric shops (as well as the obvious electrics!)
47901 (undergoing conversion from 47601)
I also recall sitting in the cab of 47089 tucked down one
side of a building, eating my sarnies for lunch with my mates!
I also photographed the following at the station
84010
82008
50008 (on a railtour returning to, I think, Plymouth)
And
distinctly recall the very odd site of 76010 on the diesel stabling
point. "
'UD' recorded the following :
"08088,08329,08468,20033,20081,20097,20132,20174,24081,37001
37041,37183,40008,40022,40027,40029,40048,40063,40068,40074
40079,40103,40113,40123,40139,40157,40162,40174,40179,40181
40185,40187,47007,47024,47026,47036,47042,47045,47059,47089
47103,47117,47150,47152,47160,47164,48187,47204,47207,47209
47213,47230,47231,47239,47250,47290,47301,47313,47320,47355
47361,47375,47404,47405,47407,47410,47419,47432,47437,47444
47448,47464,47465,47466,47472,47475,47480,47488,47505,47508
47517,47519,47530,47536,47547,47701,47708,47710,81015,81017
82001,82005,82006,82007,82008,83002,83007,83012,85025,86004
86030,86037,86216,86224,86248,87012,87033,43000,43131,43132
43133,43134,43136,43137,43138,43140 ,49005,RDB975010.
The HST power cars were under construction, so there may
be some debate as to which should be counted and which should not?"
See also : Where Were You : Saturday 22nd September 1979 .
Q. Brian Trendell
asks..."In the 1984 Southern region WTT there are a couple of strange
services that I'm wondering if anyone has any info on. The first is
1B97, the
1038 SO from Victoria to Brockenhurst. 1B86 was the return which
left at 1635hrs. This is listed as a loco hauled service which only ran
4 times a year. It was the
only service that I can find that ran from Victoria rather than
Waterloo on the Western Section of the Southern Region. The ECS was
stabled in Poole sidings in
between.
Does anyone know why these services ran and what loco/stock was used?"
A. "I think I am correct in saying this is the Orient Express.
So rolling stock would be a VSOE Pullman rake.
Motive power, probably Class 73 or maybe a Class 33."
Q. Patrick Stevenson asks..."The
Tiberius Kirk Railtour 24/07/1999. Could anybody help me with the exact
routing this tour took? I have lost my tour sheet."
A. Alan Baylis says..."Here are the actual route details for this railtour. I was on the tour throughout.
The Tiberius Kirk (Mercia Charters railtour) that ran on the 23rd-24th July 1999
Locos 37013/37165
Northampton - Birmingham - Shrewsbury - Crewe - Preston - Carlisle -
Carstairs - Lanark Jn - Law Jn - Holytown - Mossend Yard
Locos 37023/37114
Mossend Yard - Coatbridge Central - Gartcosh Jn - Springburn - Cowlairs
North Jn - Dalmuir - Dumbarton Central - Helensburgh Upper - Crainlarich - Fort William
Locos 37023/37114
FortWilliam - Tulloch (where 37023 removed) - Crainlarich (run round) - Oban
Loco 37114
Oban - Crainlarich (where 37116 attached) - Helensburgh Upper - Dumbarton
Central - Dalmuir - Westerton -Partick - Glasgow Central (Low Level) -
Rutherglen -Newton (then not as the advertised route which would have been
via Mossend) - Uddingston - Motherwell - Carstairs - Carlisle - Crewe -
Stafford - Birmingham - Coventry - Rugby."
Thanks also to Peter Scott who pointed out a slight error in what was posted above.
Q. 'Beefy'
asks..."I can remember sitting
on Derby station some time in 1983 on a summer saturday and seeing 50030
coming in
from the west(birmingham) on a service train. I thought that it was
very unusual seeing a 50 north of Birmingham.
Then it came back in the afternoon on another service train which I took
to Burton. I don't know which services it
worked on or the date because I have lost the page in my book. Could
anybody help me with info?"
A.
Ian Horner says... "This was 50003 on the 07.05 Plymouth - York and 14.28 return Saturday 13th August 1983
(some sources
quote service as 06.53 north/south - something to do with
retimings for
the service being LHCS vice HST).
For the record, 50030 spent summer
'83 at Doncaster Wrks for general overhaul. "
Q. 'Cellar Man' asks
..."On an early summer Saturday afternoon in the early 1980s (1981 to
1984?) I was cycling to Bletchley and stopped on the
overbridge just south
of Milton Keynes Central to see what was about – Saturdays were deadly
dull in terms of services, but a trip to Bletchley
was usually worth it to see what was stabled there.
Almost as soon as I got
off my bike I was stunned to see two Class 25s pulling a (presumably
failed) Class 40 southbound on what must have
been a Rugex.
I pulled myself
together and carried on to Bletchley only to see the same combo again
(this must have been 30-45 minutes later) but with
difference locos,
suggesting that two Whistler hauled Rugexs had failed and been rescued
by two pairs of 25s."
Does anyone know of these workings?
A. The date in question was Saturday 5th June 1982. At present, only the
two Class 40's involved, 40133 & 40003, are shown on our Diary Page .
But, thanks to an article which appeared in May 2008 Traction by Nick
Ross referencing the working of 40133, letters from one of the drivers
involved and
someone on duty in 'control' appeared in later issues and
so further details can be found there, details extracted as follows...
Both trains were FOOTEX's between Barrow and Wenbley Central for an
England Schoolboys match. Originally booked Class 40 only to Carnforth,
Roarer
forwards, this was amended late on Friday the 4th when it was realised
electric's would not be available, so Class 40's then booked
throughout.
When 40133, working the 1st train, failed North of Bletchley, original
plan was that 40003 would assist the failed FOOTEX from the rear into
Bletchley so that 2x25's off BY could assist. But...
When 40003 came to a stand (Castlethorpe) in the section behind the
failed 40133, it too failed! 25060+25235 came off BY to assist 40003.
25206+25054
came to assist 40133. Both trains missed kick-off and continued
to Euston, and after free food and drink passengers were returned home!
25235 failed upon arrival at Euston, while 25206+25054
returned to BY. Presumably repaired at WN, 40003 took still dead 40133
back north the following
evening.
See also : Nick Ross's Website - Leighton Logs - at :
http://www.geocities.com/nickrossa2002/
Q. John Simmonds says... "On
Sunday, June 23rd 1974 there were 2 Penistone to Rhyl & return
charters. I have the Western Lines STN for this period which shows
them as going via Ordsall Lane Jn-Winwick Jn-Acton
Grange-Frodsham-Chester. They were both loco hauled with timing loads
of D455. Arrival in Rhyl was 1021
& 1034, departing at 1757 & 1805.What I would like to know is
the route they took east of Manchester over the Pennines either
Woodhead/Standedge/Hope
Valley? & what was the motive power? "
A. John Simmonds says... "I have just answered my own question from an item in the RCTS Railway Observer for August of that year. The 2 trains were
hauled by 47174 & 47292 both of TI & were diverted
away from the Woodhead Route only because the line was shut that day
& instead ran via
Huddersfield running round both ways."
Q. Brendan Kilgallon
asks... "On 19/2/82 I travelled from Leeds on 47125 arriving 10.27, it
shunted the portion, Poole?, and I then got on a train departing 10.47.
Was it the Pool from
Sheffield onwards? Or did I get on a St.Pancras train? I certainly got
on one eventually which arrived St.Pancras 14.56. So I did either
Sheffield - StP or
Derby StP. Could someone PLEASE put me out of my misery."
A. Kevin Law says...
"19th Feb 1982 was a Friday, so the departure time for the Sheffield-St.Pancras service would have been
11.00, 1M17, so it wasn't that one. The Poole train was booked off Sheffield at approximately 10.25, but
was obviously running late if it (the Leeds portion) arrived at 10.27 and then had to wait to be attached
to the Newcastle portion, so it is highly probable that it was the late-running 1O19 07.55 Newcastle-Poole
from Sheffield away at 10.47, there was no other train booked away from Sheffield around that time. As for
arrival at St.Pancras at 14.56, the 11.00 ex Sheffield was due to arrive at 14.08 but it went via Nottingham
so wouldn't have been that one, whereas the 12.10 ex Derby was due in at 14.56! So it looks like
Mr. Kilgallon travelled from Leeds to Sheffield and then on to Derby on the same train changing at
Derby for St.Pancras."
Q. Paul Morris asks...
"Wonder if any of your reader's could
identify which electric loco worked the outward leg of a Cheshire
Railtours or Ffestiniog Tours railtour from Manchester
Piccadilly to Wolverhampton in September 1978 or 1979.
I arrived late at Piccadilly and could
just see what could have been an 81,82 or 83 at the far end of a lengthy
rake of Mark 1 stock.The electric took us to
Wolverhampton where a fleet
of buses took everybody to the Severn Valley for Black '5' - 45110
and 'Britannia' running thro' Foley Park tunnel before the
line opened up
to Kidderminster.
Return from Wolves back to Piccadilly
was definitely courtesy of 40 013."
A. 86 012 (Info kindly supplied by Pete Calderley via my query published recently in Traction Magazine)
Q. D Trains asks...
"Can anyone supply a full list of Locos/ Units at Swindon works on the 14/5/84, including stored/condemend locos?"
A. Wilf Pugsley can supply a list from two days previous...
"03121
08030/045/059/130/153/181/192/204/240/265/281/288/301/303/328/368/523/542/570/
574/615/617/619/622/628/635/638/710/792/80108804/815/818/893/900
25097/117/120/186/289/301/308
27002/019/036
31111
37146/213
40083/112/149/154/176/193
46002/004/013/016/020/021/029/038/049/050
97653
DMU
1313
51066/077/079/094/105/107/227/244/248/304/319/354/365/396/456/462/520/530/999
53093/103/176/264/655/665/673/694/703/744/749/840/869/870/883/896/923
54200
55027
59045/046/300/420/425/437/443/477/506/524/530/555/595
EMU
6151
411621"
Q. "Can anybody confirm if 50019 worked the 1M83 10.24 Penzance - Liverpool on 15/2/1986?"
.A. Ian Horner says..."Yes it did, i had it from Exeter to Brum."
Q. Andre of the Stratford 47
Group asks...
"As far as I can work out from
this photo http://richardarmstrong.fotopic.net/p34413136.html
47367 had a bit of a prang with a Parcels train
whilst on a freight on the 3rd May 1983.
Does anyone know what trains were involved
and why etc.....
As this is the first bit of evidence of why 47367
received a flat front.
A. On 03rd May 1983 while working a Teeside - Hunslet East Oil Terminal block
tank train. 47367 ploughed into the back of an e.c.s. parcels train for
Redbank on the up goods lines at Neville Hill. The result being the back
vehicle riding over the buffers and destroying the number 1 end cab of
47367. Help came form Healey Mills breakdown train around 13:30 and was
initially moved to Neville Hill TMD before being moved to Crewe Works.
Recorded as being out of service from 09/05/83 and received new number 1 Cab
fitted at Crewe works and released on 09/11/83.
Q. Also
47596 worked the following charters in 1988
and 1989
2nd May 1988 47596 worked a
St. James Day Tripper Charter but
being a Bristol Bath Road loco at the time dose anyone know if the train
started
at Rose Grove and how much did 47596 work as Rose Grove is in the North West and
the Charter went to the seaside resort of Dawlish
A. Have found out the flowing from St. James Day Tripper
47596 Alderburgh Festival did indeed work the St. James Day Tripper from
Rose Grove to Exeter and Dawlish on Bank Holiday Monday, 2nd May 1988. The
itinerary for the trip, which 47596 worked throughout was as follows.
5Z36 0409 ECS (11 vehicles) Longsight C.S. to Rose Grove (calling at
Blackburn at 0604 en route) then:-
1Z36 Rose Grove Dep. 0700 Arrive 2345
Accrington Dep. 0709 " 2336
Rishton Dep 0715 " 2330
Blackburn Dep 0722 " 2321
Mill Hill Dep 0726 " 2317
Cherry Tree Dep 0729 " 2314
Preston Dep 0759 " 2245
Exeter Arr. 1255 Dep. 1801
Dawlish Arr. 1309 Dep. 1746
The loco then took the ecs to Plymouth(Laira) for servicing but I'm afraid
I've no timings for that.
David Hunter adds... "5R36 2350 Rose Grove - Longsight.
Rose Grove DGL arr 23:52 RR dep 00:15
Rose Grove 00/17
Blackburn 00/30
Farington Jn 00/43
Balshaw Lane Jn 00/48
Manchester Victoria 01/22
Ashton Moss North Jn 01/30
Stockport arr 01:48 RR dep 02:08
Manchester Piccadilly arr 02:15 RR dep 02:35 and onto Longsight.
Q. Peter Mantle asks...
"Does any one know
if any class 33/1s worked on the North Wales coast, on the Cardiff-
Llandudno and the Crewe- Holyhead trains?"
A. Your Webmaster says...
"As far as I am
aware, no 33/1's worked any of the scheduled services along the North
Wales Coast route during the mid-1980's
(but would obviously be interested to hear if any did). It
was always the 33/0's & 33/2's in my experience, but, I do know
that a 33/1
did once work to Bangor on a charter which was formed of 4TC stock, so..."
Q.
"Does anyone have any details of A Class 33/1 hauled Charter to
Bangor. My best guess at a date for this working is Saturday 1st
July 1989
- or maybe later that summer). I did think we had full
details of this working on file but that now appears not to be the case
- Also this working is not, at present,
to be found on the "Six
Bells Junction" site either. (Haven't I also seen a published
photo of this working somewhere?) Any details welcome."
A. David Rapson (Merseyside Railway Society) says...
"The train ran on Saturday 1st July 1989 from
Wareham to Bangor. It was formed of 33109
and 4TC's 8012 and 8015 and, on the return trip, 19.20
from Bangor, the 'Crompton' propelled at least as far as Chester."
Steve Kemp adds: "I am 99.9% sure no 33/1 did a service train to Crewe or North Wales 33115 came via Stoke on the Poole - Man Picc." (16/01/86).
http://www.nwrail.org.uk/nw0401a.htm
Q. 'Mutly' asked..."Whilst
doing an East mid rover back in either 79/80,(may even have been 1981
but I dont think so) i was bashing some Deltics (ok so the ticket
wasnt
valid but what the hell!) I cannot remember the date at all, but I can
clearly remember 56061/2 brand new on MGR's through Doncaster,
All that week I
viewed 50024 ex works on the test train, then at the end of the week I
did a Deltic to York and fell on the 50024 on 1V93, this I duly
had to
Sheffield (I was going to take her to Brum, but it was the worst run iv
ever had out of a 50, so couldn't get off quick enough!).
For years I've being
trying to sus out the date without sucess, so I was wondering if there
is anyone out there who knows?"
.A. The date that 50024 worked 1V93 was 21st August 1979!
This is
currently believed to be only the 2nd Class 50 to return home on
1V93. I can find no other record of 50024 working 1V93 after this date.
Also, 56061
& 56062 were both delivered new to traffic during August 1979 which
also ties in nicely with the above..
Q. Andrew Pullar asks..." 10/08/1975 a Sunday, 1M10 Glasgow Central to
London Euston was hauled between Glasgow and Carlisle by
50041; being replaced by 82002.
I have a recollection
of catching this
train and that it ran via Paisley Gilmour Street. Can anyone
confirm the route this train was booked to run and if
this was the
actual route taken on the day? My notes only
say via Dumfries and I've lost my timetable for the period in a house
move."
.A. John Simmonds has provided some further info re the booked routing of this service...
"During the May 1975-May 1976 timetable period Sunday night departures from Glasgow Central to
Euston running via the GSW are at 2210 'The Night Caledonian' & & 2230 both of which arrive at
Carlisle in the early hours of Monday morning. As I don't have a WCML working timetable for
the period I can't say which headcodes each train carried."
Q. David Wilson <43100> asks..."I'm looking for a date (around about 1978-79) and the other traction
involved in what was either
a Mystex or Holiday Preview train (remember them?) from Edinburgh to
Morecambe. I can't recall what worked it to
Carstairs, but 83013 worked it from there to Carnforth
(Down Loop?) where 40010 was attached fro the direct
run into Morecambe.
All us young spotters then jumped a DMU back to
Lancaster in order to have a day spotting at Preston.
On arrival at Lancaster our 83 (013) was sitting
stabled in the station having run down light from Carnforth.
The train to Preston rolled in behind a 47 (so I'm
guessing it was from Barrow) which for some reason
or other was removed from the train and replaced
with 83013 which worked the train to Preston and beyond
(Euston?).
On our return to Morecambe 40010 was at the head of
the train, but this time it didn't come off at
Carnforth - as 83013 had of course gone, and so the
40 worked through to Carstairs for another unknown
loco up the hill to Waverley."
.A. Brendan Kilgallon has kindly provide the following info :
Date: 28th April 1979 BR Mystex Edinburgh-Morecambe
47428 Edinburgh - Carstairs
83013 Carstairs - Carnforth
40010 Carnforth - Morecambe
40010 Morecambe - Carstairs
47428 Carstairs - Edinburgh
Q. Phil Bartlett said... "Spotted this on Ebay as Item number: 200154760408.
Starting at £1.29 with no bids.
A 6"x4" print of Class 37 6827 (37127) leading 86043 in blue livery at
Cannock on 24/2/74.
Right into the early 1980s class 37s were not particularly common in the
West Midlands (on Bescot based jobs) with few BS drivers signing them.
So, with the Cannock line being predominantly a Bescot driver's
playground this is a rare shot IMHO.
Even more unusual is the train it was working - 1A23 in 1980 was the
0627 Holyhead-Euston. Whether it was in 1974 is a moot point.
The composition of the train could suggest that with a BG and a BSK
marshalled behind the class 86 it could have come from Holyhead,
with an
engine change at Crewe, then a diesel pilot from Stafford or Rugeley TV.
BTW - I should say that the Cannock line is an unwired double track line from Rugeley TV on the WCML, over Cannock Chase to meet
other lines at
Ryecroft Jn just north of Walsall. It was used regularly for weekend diversions into the 1990s, usually being the preserve
of class 40s and
47s at that time although other classes have regularly worked over there in more
recent times.
Where would the 37 have come from?"
.A. Took a quick look at the photo, thought the description sounded
familiar. Another photo of this working has been published: in Railway
Magazine,
June 1974 issue, across the middle of Page 291.
Class 37 6827 (37127) had been transferred from the ER to Saltley for
driver training purposes, only
days before this photo and this explains
it's presence in the area. I would agree it would have been a 'massive' working at
the time. 6827 only stayed 3 or 4 weeks
at SY before transfer on to TI.
According to the photo caption in the mag detailed above, the service
worked by 6827 was the 07.58 Holyhead - Euston.
This is
confirmed in the following report from the RCTS mag 'Railway
Observer' April 1974 issue...
"On 17th and
24th February (1974), engineering operations caused TV
trains to be diverted via Rugeley, Walsall, New St, Saltley and
Nuneaton
with pantographs down on electric
locos. Most of the diverted trains, with 47's although 6827, at
Saltley for Crew training, worked 1A23 07.58
Holyhead - Euston on 24th."
A couple of
Class 50's (then still allocated to Crewe) also worked trains from New
St via Cannock to/from Lime St that day (those were 414
(50014) &
432 (50032), but these locos appearing on Sunday 'Drags' was
not that rare at that time although they may still have been rarer over
the Cannock route.
Q. Steve Lawton asks .... "Looking for your Diary for 30th June 1984 it states that '45134 1E28 0855 Weymouth - Bradford from'.
I would be interested to know
where 45134 worked this train from as I caught it from Coventry to
Birmingham New Street.
Rumour had it that 45134 was on
Bristol Bath Road earlier on that Saturday morning, so how did it get
onto the above train?"
All reports
of 1E28 on this date received at the time the above was posted were
from north of Birmingham. 1E28 was booked to change
engines at Reading only, but we
couldn't be sure if the Peak did work from there or not at that time.
.A. Colin Brooks ... as now supplied a photo which shows 45134 in Reading yard at 0850 on the 30th June 1984. It is now believed 45134 worked 1E28 0855
Weymouth -
Bradford forwards from Reading on this date. Rumour of 45134 at
Bath road on this date now seam dubious, as a further report received
has 45134
reaching Reading the previous day working the 1O19 0805 Newcastle -
Poole through to Reading.
Q. Jamie Course asks..."I recently found a picture of 40069 at Sheffield in the centre road... With a passenger service
the service was the 2J95 on the 2nd.October.1982
There seems to
be a member of staff... Possibly the guard climbing either in or out of
the 40.
And i was wondering if the 2J95 was scheduled for a stop or
crew change etc. in centre road
at Sheffield or if this service was diverted, or held at a red flag... etc."
A. This is the 2D95 0840 Cleethorpes - Doncaster passenger turn (which also
conveyed vans). When 2D95 was extended to Sheffield, which seams to
have happened
quite often, it was recoded 2J95. I have a couple of
reports that on 02/10/82 40069 worked 2D95 extended to Sheffield and
recoded as 2J95. The loco and stock off
2D95/2J95 detached vans at
Sheffield for Nunnery CS, then after stabling in the centre rds at
Sheffield awhile, continuing to Longsight as ECS. However, from
Monday
04/10/82 2D95 was removed from the passenger timetable, running for the
next few years as ECS thoughout, continuing to call at Sheffield to
detach
those vans. Class 40's often featured.
Q. "50019
worked the 14.25 Plymouth - Glasgow on two Sundays in February 1988,
has anybody got the dates?"
A. 'Goyle' replies..."50019 worked 1S71 1425 Ply-Glasgow on Sunday 14th and 28th February 1988."
Q. Graeme Salt asked the following :."
A real long shot, this
one. Some time in November 1980, there was a Merrymaker excursion from
Sheffield to London (Liverpool Street) and
return. As I
recall, it was routed Sheffield - Nottingham - Grantham - ECML to
Finsbury Park, then via the freight link to the North London
Line and onto the GE main line into Liv St. - quite a railtour. Anyone
know the date, and what locos were involved?"
A. Peter Hall recalls..."On
Saturday 13th December 1980 there was a 08.17 Mexborough-Liverpool
Street. I caught it from Sheffield. My note book shows it
as being headed by 47279 with the note via Nottingham, Finsbury Park
and Channalsea Junction. The return 18.12 Liverpool Street-Mexborough
that I
travelled on to Sheffield was 47528 returning as outward."
Graeme Salt say...""I suspect it was the same train - I vaguely remember it being a 47 out for a different one back. I could
well be out by a month - I
was a humble spotter back then, and didn't start to record journeys
properly until early '81. The
scant details I've got
(basically the route, which is exactly as above) would have been noted
down retrospectively, probably
2 - 3 years after the event.
I seem to recall, any maybe someone could confirm this, that the train
was originally supposed to run into KX and
that the change to Liv St. was announced just before departure. When we
failed to turn left at Peterborough, I thought it had
been swapped back again, right up until we dived off the ECML at the
last minute! This was a bonus, as the GE was much
richer spotting territory for a ned from Sheffield...
Of course, it COULD have been a different train, a month or so earlier
- seems unlikely though."
Q. Rob Callaghan asked the following on behalf of a friend...
"What worked the following services:
17 August 1985
1E08 0921 Bangor-Newcastle 45111
1E99 1114 Bangor-Newcastle 47436
24 Dec 1986
1M76 1420 Newcastle-Liverpool 45144
27 September 1987
1E08 0817 Holyhead-Newcastle "27th was a Sunday and as far as the records show no trans pennines ran from North Wales"
1E99 1114 Bangor-Newcastle
24 Dec 1987
1M58 0825
Nec-Liverpool shown as
47413
CONFLICTING INFO received for our records. 47413
1M63 1025 Nec-Liverpool shown as 47413 CONFLICTING INFO received for our records. 47411
1 April 1989
1M53 0605 Newcastle-Liverpool 47434
1O11 0657
Newcastle-Poole
47657
1M58 0820 Newcastle-Liverpool 47503
1M63 1020 Newcastle-Liverpool 47454
1E49 0701 Liverpool-Newcastle 47488
1E53 0901 Liverpool-Newcastle 47424 ALL WITH THANKS TO.... David Garnett