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Q.   Rob Wilde asks..."1) Have you any information at all on either of the two former
                                             railtour operators - Ridings Railtours and Anston Travel Service?

                                            2) I went on an all 1st Class excursion (should have been pullman but
                                            asbestos found!) from Sheffield to Blaenau Ffestiniog some time in
                                            very late 70s or early-mid 80s. I know the company specialised in
                                            running these trains from various places nationwide to BF. This
                                            particualr jopurney was very memorabe in some respects - a 45 all the
                                            way to BF (despite being banned from the Conwy Valley line). It was
                                            VERY wet and we needed a push from a 25 if I recall! Can you shed any light?

                                           3) Have you any idea what Green Express have got planned for next
                                            year? Their website seems to have given up!"
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Q. "Does anyone know which locos worked 'a Barrow-in-Furness to Hastings MYSTEX sometime summer of 1977 - probably August?".

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Q. Mr Ritchie also asks...

"The eastern end of the Cambridge-Kettering line was retained into the 1970s as a spur as far as Cranford/Twywell limestone/ironstone quarry off the
Midland Mainline at Kettering Junction. I distinctly remember my dad getting me to look from the car into the cutting from the A6 overbridge, and seeing
rats and mineral tipplers. Anyone know of any photos of any of these diagrams, and when did they finally cease?"

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Q. Ric inquires...

I would be gratefull if could answer any of the following:

1 What service did 45039 work through Sheffield on 15th July 1978?
2 Anyone recall details of a Merrymaker Mystery tour from Newcastle [ possibly on a summer Sunday ] in 78 or 79 with 47115 which ended up at Morecambe?
3 Which loco's worked the 21-24 Bristol TM to Glasgow overnight forward from New St on the night of 29th November 1982 and 14th December 1985?
4 On 12th August 1980 where was 45019 replaced by 46045 on 18-08 Penzance-Leeds? - Plymouth - Mike Kerry
5 The 21-50 York-Shrewsbury service sometimes changed loco's at Leeds, what went forward on the night of 06th October 1978 and 24th October 1978?

Q. Jim Ramsay asks... "I wonder if anyone could possibly help with this query ?

            31/3/90 - 47550 was working the 21.35 Aberdeen to Edinburgh (portion of Aberdeen to Euston) overnight sleepers/seats.
            Upon arrival at Kirkcaldy it was apparent there was a problem - there had been a suicide further down the line and the train would need to be diverted back round via
            Dunfermline. In order to set back to Thornton Jcn a pair of cl 20s from Thornton shed were coupled to the rear after 40 minutes or so and hauled the train back to
            Thornton N Jcn where they un-coupled and off 47550 went ....

            Can anyone shed any light on the identity of the 20s ? - by the time I realised what was happening at Kirkcaldy it was too late to ID the locos involved."
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Q. Alan Rawlins says..."I was a crane driver at Stratford Freightliner in the 60s-70s I have many memories it was a hard job but was the best.It is sad to hear the
terminal has long gone.I can remember a lot of films being taken at the terminal is there anywhere iI can purchase these films."

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Q. Dave Prichard asks..."I need to know which 45/46 'Peak' worked the 0700 Plymouth-Newcastle on WEDNESDAY 14th MARCH 1984.
I was on this train Bristol Parkway - Derby !"
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Q. PRAR asks... "Which loco worked the 0822(?) Paddington - Fishguard Motorail service on 09/06/1979?
            I think it was a 50 throughout. Can anybody confirm the routing - I think it was Bath and Swansea District but we could have taken the Landore spur?

           ALSO: What locos worked the Fishguard - Paddington Motorail service on 23/6/1979?
            As I recall the inbound service arrived at Fishguard with 2 47s on the front (one having failed enroute). Both locos were run round and we headed back to London
            with one live and one dead. At Cardiff Central there was a loco change (on the Up Main) and another 47 took us back to London. Again what was the routing?
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Q. Steve Ford says... "I am due to retire soon and for a 2 year period I worked Anglia class 86 locos from King's Cross to
Edinburgh on Serco workings There were many photos taken of this event. (It used to run every month from August 2000 to
August 2002 with Anglia locos). Has anyone a copy of the train at Newcastle or York? This will go into my retiremnt album."

Steve may be contacted at the following email address: stephen.ford16@btinternet.com

Q. Martin Baumann asks "Does anybody know what worked the 0931 Southampton Docks-Waterloo boat train on September 6 1966?

Question posted: 19/12/04

Q. Peter Scott is attempting to fill in the service details with regard to the following:

            29-07-1980,40008, CHESTER, CREWE,0000,21,
            22-08-1980,40027, CHESTER, WARRINGTON,0000,18,
            24-05-1981,40180, CREWE, WARRINGTON,0000,40.5,Diverted
            24-05-1981,40180, WARRINGTON, CREWE,0000,27.75,Diverted
            21-06-1981,40056, EDINBURGH, NEWCASTLE,0000,124.5

            "40180 was a WCML Sunday drag and 40056 was something like the 1115 Edinburgh - Newcastle. After that move I had 55013
            to York, which came in directly behind 40056 from Edinburgh... at least I think so, but looking in 1H81 there is nothing to suggest
            what these trains might be, so they could have been reliefs?"

Question posted: 14/11/04

Q. Martin Baumann would like confirmation of which locos worked the following turns from 1978:

1) The number of the electric that took over from 47 469 on the Stranraer-Euston boat train that left Stranraer on the
evening of 29.06.78 (loco change at Carlisle in the early hours of 30.06)

2) What worked the Liverpool Street to Harwich boat train on the evening of 30.06.78

3) What worked the morning Harwich-Liverpool St boat train on 16.07.78

4) What worked the Stranraer sleeper Euston-Carlisle on 16.07.78

5) What worked the same train Carlisle-Stranraer

Question posted: 07/11/04

Q. Roger Perkin asks..."I am trying to find out which locos work the following 2 charters. I hope you can help.

        1)    Sat 24th April 1982 Northfield to Bristol & Bath (St.Laurence Church adex)
        2)    Sun 26th June 1983 Wolverhampton to Taunton (Bham Society of model engineers adex, then onto Minehead).
        Out via Bristol & returned via Oxford.

Question posted: 29/08/04

Q. Lee Ragsdale asks..."On Friday the 19th of April 1985 ANSTON TRAVEL SERVICE ran a charter from Chesterfield to Kyle of
Lochalsh and back! I would like gen on route, I think it went S+C and also what engines worked the train.
I think 26041+37114 worked Inverness to Kyle and return and 47546 worked out of Inverness back south.

Question posted: 29/08/04

Q. Mark Jones asks..."I wrapped my hand in at the bashing game sometime in 86, and have made very few forays back since.
Ii have a few questions which I'd like answered, if possible.

        1) while on an all line railrover in possibly 82/83 I was stood on waverley waiting for my overnight to the cross , was expecting
        to jump on my eth duff and coffins, when in rolled 40198 on mk 11,s going southbound on a stopper. I would like this confirmed
        by anyone

2) poss 83 again. The late night early hours Crewe - Preston... diverted via Chester, I remember having one 40 as far as Chester
then another backed on the other end to take us out, verifacation please?

3) A Cardiff - Paignton adex summer 83/84... 40 hauled any ideas ?

4) And last but not least a favourite train of mine in the summer used to be the neglected 0210 Manchester P - Cleethorpes,
I remember this throwing up some big 37's and Goyles, any specific numbers for this train ?

Any help appreciated.

Question posted: 29/08/04

Q. John Anderson asks..."I am interested to know what were the formations" of the following list of services "eg : coach type, mark,
number of vehicles in train and also any livery details that people might have noted re the locos and stock, anything someone might
have noted that might come in useful to model these trains"

Date       Loco Train                                   Time      Id
18/11/89 37142 Milford- Manchester Pic 17:23
15/11/89 37142 Camarthern - Milford       09:05
15/11/89 37142 Milford- Swansea            10:27
07/08/89 37065 Milford- Swansea (DMU Drag)
29/03/89 37141 Milford - Swansea             13:30
07/12/88 37263 Pembroke- Swansea          09:58
08/11/98 37098 Fishguard-Swansea          14:40
18/10/88 37298 Pembroke- Swansea           09:58
04/06/88 37159+37284 Pembroke-Paddington 08:27
07/05/88 47112 Cardiff-Milford                    17:15 2B38
07/05/88 47112 Milford-Carmarthern           20:35
04/03/88 37059 Milford-Swansea                 11:30
28/02/88 37162 Cardiff-Milford                     17:15
28/02/88 37162 Milford-Carmarthern            20:35
03/08/87 47508 Swansea-Milford                  12:08 2B22
01/08/87 37158 Swansea-Milford                  12:08 2B22
01/08/87 37158 Milford-Swansea                  14:27 2B87
01/08/87 47143 Cardiff-Milford                      17:20
31/07/87 47344 Swansea-Milford                  12:08 2B22
31/07/87 47344 Milford-Swansea                  14:20 2B27
22/07/87 37133 Camarthern-Milford              09:51
20/07/87 37133 Swansea-Milford                  09:32 2B02
20/07/87 37133 Milford-Swansea                  09:32 2B13
10/07/87 37127 Pembroke-Swansea              12:14 2B19
10/07/87 37690 Cardiff-Pembroke                  07:45 2B10
06/06/87 37824 Swansea-Milford                  17:10 2B34
06/06/87 37284 Milford-Bristol TM (TPO ?) 19:30 1C82.

Question posted: 20/06/04

Q. Dominic Fletcher recalls..."On August 20th 1987 you have 47307 working 1E93 1858 Liverpool LS - Newcastle from Ravensthorpe.
          That brought back memorys for me I was on the train when the origianal 47 failed. This was quite an amusing episode as they sen
          an NB 47 from Holbeck to rescue the train only for it to back on to the train and for the air brakes not to work so off went the 47
           with the failed 47 in tow, leaving the stock sat at Ravensthorpe with no engine then they sent out another loco.

Which were the other two 47s involved above?

Also::
July 10th 1988, 47101 shown on 1M80 Newcastle - Liverpool LS again shown as working throughout?

Didn't this work from Leeds after the failure (of 47401, fire again)?

Question posted: 13/03/04

Q.    Pete Slagel says..."I'm trying to find out with regard to the Class 20's,which were used forward from Gloucester to
            Birmingham New Street in the late Seventies & early Eighties, the train was the 1M74 14.00 M~F Penzance -
            Manchester Picc, it was usually hauled by a Class 45/0,45/1,46 or class 47 from Penzance - Gloucester, then forward
            with a freight turn which had come down to Gloucester Yard from Toton in the morning.the train was also usually
            banked up the Lickey Incline with a variety of Class 37's.Once at Birmingham New Street the engines came off with the
            Buffet Car at the front and an Electric would go forward to Manchester afterwards, I would be very pleased if anyone
            can shed (sorry) some light on what the engine numbers were, and if so can point in the right direction to find out
            Dates, Engines/Numbers?"

Although we may be in error, I can only recall the 1M60 15?? Plymouth - Manchester P which did produce many 'big' freight
engines as described. A list of currently known gen on 1M60 can be found here .

Question posted: 06/03/04

Q. David Garnett asks..."On 20th September 1981, a named (painted that is) 40 was sat at Kings Cross in front of 31220.
Which one was it, and what did it do?

Question posted: 03/01/04

A. Gray Carraway says..."40020. Although I photographed the loco, I'm afraid I have no idea what it worked..."

Q. Alvin Knight says..."We are currently in the process of restoring 20119 at Barrow Hill which was recently purchased off HNRC.
          I am trying to find out the last confirmed working on a passenger train of this loco but I am having a few difficulties in finding
          any working's at all. Note that Craig Sullivan has also made a similar enquiry.
          We have gone through the archives and can only find four workings as follows:
            31/08/87 20119+20144 1G10 0725 Newcastle - York via coast route
            31/08/87 20119+20144 1G10 1812 York - Newcastle via coast route (May have been 1800?)
            02/10/85 20119 ???? 1719 Cleethorpes - Sheffield , from Scunthorpe
            05/02/85 20119+????? 1S06 2110(4/2) Euston - Stranraer , from Ayr

Question posted: 20/12/03

Jason Warner had added the following info:
23/11/90 20119+20137 ???? 09.00 Aberdeen - Penzance , between Inverkeithing - Edinburgh Waverley

Have you ever had 20119 for haulage? If so, where, when and on what? Has 20119 worked a pessenger turn SINCE 23/11/90?
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Q. Colin Brooks says..."I'm working trough some slides / moves of yesteryear and I find 37 275 on 1605 from Swansea
(travelled from Neath - Bridgend) - I' cant track the dates but it is between 1/08/87 and 13/08/87.

The only other information is I have, I had 33017 from Bristol - Cardiff on and 50013 on the Manchester Paddingon (from Reading -
Paddington) on the same day." Any ideas as to a exact date?

        John Evans says... "My records show that I was out nearly every day for the first three weeks of August '87 and this was
            a favoured train to cover. I only show 37275 working the 1605 Swansea - Portsmouth on 19th August."
        The following lists all known motive power working the 1605 Swansea - Portsmouth (as far as Bristol) during August 1987:
            01/8/87 ?
            02/8/87 SUNDAY
            03/8/87 37431
            04/8/87 37431
            05/8/87 37431
            06/8/87 37431
            07/8/87 37431
            08/8/87 ?
           09/8/87 SUNDAY
            10/8/87 37430
            11/8/87 37430
            12/8/87 37430
            13/8/87 37430
            14/8/87 37427
            15/8/87 37232
            16/8/87 SUNDAY
            17/8/87 37427
            18/8/87 37162
            19/8/87 37275
            20/8/87 ?
            21/8/87 37427
            22/8/87 ?
            23/8/87 SUNDAY
            24/8/87 37431
            25/8/87 37431? (probably - was on this turn am.)
            26/8/87 37230
            27/8/87 37426
            28/8/87 37426
            29/8/87 ?
            30/8/87 SUNDAY
            31/8/87 37431
           Can anyone fill in the unknowns - especially 1st and 8th of August 87?

Question posted: 27/09/03 Amended: 17/01/04

Q. Phil Prosser asks..." From late 1968 to May 1970, I spent many hours at Maghull station on the third rail electrified line
          from Liverpool Exchange-Ormskirk & Preston. During this time the new class 50's were regular performers on the
          change-Glasgow/Edinburgh trains, sharing responsibility with 24s, 25s, 40s and 47s. Does anyone have any information
          at all about these workings, particularly the 50's. The trains were transferred to Liverpool Lime Street from May 1970."

Question posted: 28/06/03

Q. Paul Boden inquires..."I was on 1S19 from Bristol TM to New St on the 28th July 1987. It was a 50 and was banked from Lickey
with 37's. Any ideas of the loco numbers?"

Question posted: 14/06/03

Q. Phil Wood asks... "On the night of the 23rd/24th September 1997 myself and a mate travelled on the Aberdeen - Euston sleeper
(47732 from Aberdeen, 87032 forward from Edinburgh with the Inverness and Fort William portions added)

         On waking up and looking out of the window we saw that we where only at Lancaster (we should have been at least at
         Milton Keynes). On approaching the guard he informed us that the overhead wires had come down at beattock summit
         and we had been dragged by "a diesel" between Beattock and Carlisle.

So the challenge is, can anybody positively identify the loco that did the rescue job?"

Question posted: 14/06/03

Q. Tim.Proudman says... "The date March 25th 1978. My friend travelled from Bristol TM to Penzance on 1C11 which I think was
          0800 (or thereabouts) from Bristol. He had a weeks holiday and travelled back home as far as Exeter on the 1230 Penzance -
          Padd on April 1st. It's a very long time ago, but can anyone help with the locos for these two trains?"
       Roger Geach adds..."Re 0800 Bristol - Penzance, I did not see this service but I did photo the 1355 Pz - Brum with 50028.
          The loco off the Bristol would quite often return on this service in those days. But not on every occasion."

Question posted: 17/05/03

Q. Mark Nicoll says... " Saturday 31 Oct 1981 - expected 55016 to work 0950 Waverly - Plymouth (hadnt realised it was
         turned over type 4 power from that day!) and was so disgusted with the Class 47 on offer that I didnt make a note of it.
         We had to do it anyway for an expected 55010 coming north on 1S12 0550 Kings X - Aberdeen... another type 4 turned
         up at Berwick and that also went unrecorded.

         Does anyone know the class 47s that worked each train - 1) from Edinburgh on 0950 and 2) from Newcastle on 1S12 ?"
      From contempory reports... it was 47557 (Though eye-witness reports are still welcome) on 1V93 0950 Edinburgh - Plymouth to York..
      Andrewl7 says..."That Morning I Observed Both 47557 + 55016 On Haymarket Shed While Retuning From A
         Freedom Of Scotland. Later In The Day I Observed 47557 In Newcastle On 1S27 Which Was The Return Working Of 1V93.
      No reports of 1S12 received as yet.

Question posted: 17/05/03

Q. Can anyone help further Identify the locos in following table of Scottish gen:

22/10/80 47??? ???? Liverpool - Aberdeen 13 coach footex (1453)
27/10/80 26???+26??? 0905 Glasgow - Inverness
09/11/80 40??? 1125 Glasgow - Aberdeen
22/11/80 40??? 0740 Aberdeen - Glasgow
22/11/80 40??? 1335 Glasgow - Aberdeen
27/11/80 47??? 0815 Inverness - Glasgow
28/11/80 40??? 1335 Glasgow - Aberdeen
01/12/80 25??? 1244 Glasgow - Dundee
01/12/80 47??? 0740 Glasgow - Aberdeen
04/12/80 40??? ???? Edinburgh - Glasgow morning additional (Stock was 14099,5107,5206,5143,5188,4206)
06/12/80 40??? 0740 Glasgow - Aberdeen (See Below...)
10/12/80 40??? 0935 Glasgow - Aberdeen
11/12/80 27???+27002 1339 Dundee - Glasgow
11/12/80 27002+27??? 1044 Glasgow - Dundee
12/12/80 40??? 0950 Aberdeen - Glasgow
12/12/80 40??? 0905 Glasgow - Inverness
12/12/80 47??? 1014 Perth - Motherwell
14/12/80 47??? 0850 Glasgow - Aberdeen with 11 coaches
19/12/80 27???+26??? 1339 Dundee - Glasgow
20/12/80 26???+26??? 0905 Glasgow - Inverness
26/12/80 27??? 0905 Glasgow - Inverness
26/12/80 40??? 1535 Aberdeen - Glasgow
26/12/80 47??? 0950 Aberdeen - Glasgow
26/12/80 47??? 1735 Glasgow - Aberdeen
26/12/80 47??? 1448 Inverness - Glasgow
28/12/80 47??? 0850 Glasgow - Aberdeen with 11 coaches
29/12/80 40???+27040(failed) 1558 Dundee - Glasgow
30/12/80 47??? 1103 Birmingham - Inverness 9 coach extra
30/12/80 47??? 0950 Aberdeen - Glasgow

Question posted: 03/05/03

A. 06/12/80 40??? 0740 Glasgow - Aberdeen ... was 40085 , gen from Alan Baylis.

Q. Mark Nicoll asks..."Can anyone help me with the motive power on the 1343 Glasgow to Taunton
which I travelled on from Glasgow to Bristol TM on 12 July 1978?"

Question posted: 19/04/03

Q. Does anyone recall a visit by 40007, to Blackpool believed to be with a service from / to Newcastle. The return working was 1st stop
Manchester Victoria. this would be summer of 1982 or earlier.

Question posted: 15/03/03

Q. Can anyone confirm if the two Class 40 cab's are still visible from the main line, in the back garden to the south of Stockport?
Also, does anyone know the identity of the locos from which they came?

Question posted: 15/03/03

Q. 'Vac Fan' asks...On the afternoon of 28/08/1980 after working the 09:10 Bristol TM - Paddington earlier in the day
            50039 Implacable was noted arriving back at Reading on an unidentified service formed of AIRCON's with the loco on fire!
            The train crew were unable to put out the fire so the fire brigade were soon in attendance. Can anyone identify the
            service and or cause of the fire?

Question posted: 15/02/03

Q. Dave Bill would like to know if anyone out there was on the following ADEX, which ran over the weekend 4th-6th April 1980, and
            can fill in details of the missing loco, times, headcodes etc.
            40017 Lime St - Wigan NW
            8???? Wigan NW - Mossend
            40151 Mossend - Inverness
            26024+037 Inverness - Kyle
            26037+024 Kyle - Inverness
            40151 Inverness - Carstairs (via Edinburgh)
            8???? Carstairs - Carlisle
            40007 Carlisle - Lime st (via S+C and Clitheroe)

Question posted: 11/01/03

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